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he makes it sound like there's something really wrong getting a check from the government, makes you dependent when you may have worked from age 14 to 65, you get 15, 20 years you have good health, of benefits. that's the deal. that's not bad. why is he doing this? >> seems like they're doubling down again. romney with 47% and ryan with 30%. we're 100%. >> can you remember a time where a political party has carved out a huge part of the country saying we don't like you, we don't respect you, we want to get rid of you with the way you live. >> that's the impression they're leaving. president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the vote. i'm not interested in your half, or in this case, 70% he's giving away. >> that's right. i have never heard such language. i think it will allow obama to extend the 47% argument to not only ryan but to the entire republican party. he can say, this is a party that slices and dices the american public. in
he makes it sound like there's something really wrong getting a check from the government, makes you dependent when you may have worked from age 14 to 65, you get 15, 20 years you have good health, of benefits. that's the deal. that's not bad. why is he doing this? >> seems like they're doubling down again. romney with 47% and ryan with 30%. we're 100%. >> can you remember a time where a political party has carved out a huge part of the country saying we don't like you, we don't...
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economy on government. >> okay. >> we're now spending the 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> yeah, but, mr. president, you're saying in order to get it -- get the job done, it's got to be balanced? >> if we're serious, we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach. and by the way, this is not just when it comes to individual taxes. let's talk about corporate taxes. now, i've identified areas where we can, right away, make a change that i believe would actually help the economy. the oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare. basically, they get deductions that those small businesses that governor romney refers to, they don't get. now, does anybody think that exxonmobil needs some extra money, when they're making money every time you go to the pump? why wouldn't we want to eliminate that? why wouldn't we eliminate tax breaks for co
economy on government. >> okay. >> we're now spending the 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they're working. >> yeah, but, mr. president, you're saying in order to get it -- get the job done, it's got to be balanced? >> if we're serious, we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach. and by the way, this is not just when it...
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the bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle-down government. >> romney was powerful throughout the debate and almost looking at the president as his prey dominating his responses and dominating, it seems, the moderator, jim leher. >> the president began the segment so i get the last word. >> you get the first word in the next segment. >> he gets the first word of that segment and i get the last word of this comment so let me just make this comment. >> he seems to relish his chance to go one-to-one with the president of the free world. nor did the president forceally challenge mitt romney's policies or his inconsistencies. romney's classic comment about dismissing the 47% of the country that are under various federal programs. his imgags position, romney's jobs in massachusetts to name a few and i have my own personal list which i'll get to. senator michael beties, a democrat here in his home state and michael steele, the former chairman of the republican national committee. both howard and michael are political msnbc analysts. i'll start with
the bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle-down government. >> romney was powerful throughout the debate and almost looking at the president as his prey dominating his responses and dominating, it seems, the moderator, jim leher. >> the president began the segment so i get the last word. >> you get the first word in the next segment. >> he gets the first word of that segment and i get the last word of this comment so let me...
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we had 600,000 government jobs added in the last two months. we had 873,000 jobs by a household survey, which is a total estimate from 50,000 phone calls. of those 600,000 were temporary workers. chris, these numbers are all a series of assumptions, tons of assumptions, and it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election, the numbers go one tenth of a point below where they were when the president started, although i don't see anything in the economy that says these surges are true. the 873,000 jobs in the household survey is the strongest economy since 1983. i don't think you can find an economist, there were 25 of them this morning that predicted 8.1% to 8.2%, but they did predict 114,000 jobs. we got 114,000 jobs, and somehow the assumptions ended up at 7.8%. >> well, let me get back to your tweet this morning. it must be embarrassing for to you do a tweet now after the power you used to have. i mean, tweeting, doesn't seem like something i'd hear from jack welch and i mean it. here you put out the word, unbelievable j
we had 600,000 government jobs added in the last two months. we had 873,000 jobs by a household survey, which is a total estimate from 50,000 phone calls. of those 600,000 were temporary workers. chris, these numbers are all a series of assumptions, tons of assumptions, and it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election, the numbers go one tenth of a point below where they were when the president started, although i don't see anything in the economy that says these...
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we had 600,000 government jobs added in the last two months. we had 873,000 jobs by a household survey, which is a total estimate, from 50,000 phone calls. of those 600,000 were temporary workers. chris, these numbers are all a series of assumptions. tons of assumptions. and it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election the numbers go 0.1% below when they were when the president started, although, i don't see anything in the economy that says these surges are true. the 873,000 jobs in the household survey is the strongest economy since 1983. i don't think you can find an economist. there were 25 ever them this morning that predicted 8.1 to 8.2 but they did forget 114,000 jobs. we got 114,000 jobs and somehow, the assumptions ended up at 7.8. >> let me just get back to your tweet this morning. it must be embarrassing for you to do a tweet after the power you used to have. tweeting doesn't seem like something i'd hear from jack welch. unbelievable job numbers, fair enough. these chicago guys will do anything to change the
we had 600,000 government jobs added in the last two months. we had 873,000 jobs by a household survey, which is a total estimate, from 50,000 phone calls. of those 600,000 were temporary workers. chris, these numbers are all a series of assumptions. tons of assumptions. and it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election the numbers go 0.1% below when they were when the president started, although, i don't see anything in the economy that says these surges are true. the...
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and likewise those who are reliant on government are not as attracted to slimming down the size of government. it is not elegantly stated. i'm speaking off-the-cuff in response to a question and i'm sure i could state it more clearly than i did in a setting like that. i'm sure i'll point that out as time goes on. >> joining me now msnbc's alex wagner and chris hayes. the first round of this, he went the rush limbaugh route and explained the comments. he said this is such a golden opportunity. this could be the opportunity for the campaign to take the gloves off and explain conservatism. tonight he says, well that comment i was completely wrong. >> yeah, you know, lawrence the word that has popped into my head in the course of the last 4 hours was labotomy. that is the ome way they are going to believe in the things that he is saying or he has had one. which is the explanation for this pivot. i think what struck me last night was there was bt thn't th attempt to defend this positions to his tax plans to this position on education funding to any number of thing that is he has run on, he white b
and likewise those who are reliant on government are not as attracted to slimming down the size of government. it is not elegantly stated. i'm speaking off-the-cuff in response to a question and i'm sure i could state it more clearly than i did in a setting like that. i'm sure i'll point that out as time goes on. >> joining me now msnbc's alex wagner and chris hayes. the first round of this, he went the rush limbaugh route and explained the comments. he said this is such a golden...
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. >> i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is, no tax cut that adds to the deaf. underline that. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> rorm's mney's insistence his cut is revenue neutral. monday he floated one idea to a local denver tv station. >> you could do something, for instance, as an option, you could say everybody's going to get up to a $17,000 deduction and use your charitable deduction, home mortgage deduction or others, health care deduction and fill that bucket if you will, $17,000 bucket, higher income people might have a lower number. >> last night romney ditched the $17,000 bucket and suggested he might make up a number. >> one of the various ways to bring down deductions, a single number, make up a number, 25,000, 50,000. >> yes, make up a number. anyway, who cares about specifics? or facts for that matter? instead, romney tried to remind voters about the president's broken promises. >> the president said he'd cut the deficit in half. unfortunately he doubled it the president did say h
. >> i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is, no tax cut that adds to the deaf. underline that. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> rorm's mney's insistence his cut is revenue neutral. monday he floated one idea to a local denver tv station. >> you could do something, for instance, as an option, you could say everybody's going to get up to a $17,000 deduction and use your charitable deduction, home...
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do we want more government, or do we want to get control of government? to govern is to choose, and the choices are never easy. there are lobbies out there that will fight you on every choice you'll make. they're ready to call you names the second they make a choice they don't like. you heard that heckler here tonight. you have to be tough to stand up to that. but being tough won't help you make the right choice. that makes experience and mature judgment. that's what the presidency needs now more than ever. and that's why i ask you to give me your vote. so that i can give you the government you were promised by the founding fathers. thank you very much. >>> on november 6th, i'm going to win pennsylvania and i'm become to become the next president of the united states. >> mitt romney said that on friday when the republican pennsylvania victory plan was still on track. >> voter i.d., which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania. done. >> but a judge today said it's not done. in a huge win for voters rights, the judge blocked the
do we want more government, or do we want to get control of government? to govern is to choose, and the choices are never easy. there are lobbies out there that will fight you on every choice you'll make. they're ready to call you names the second they make a choice they don't like. you heard that heckler here tonight. you have to be tough to stand up to that. but being tough won't help you make the right choice. that makes experience and mature judgment. that's what the presidency needs now...
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in 2007, it was black america against a white government. and knew that he essentially is the government, he is taking that same kind of tactic and he is pitting poor america against wealthy america. the problem with this is that there are actually aggrieved groups, legitimate arguments to be made that the government has neg lengtd the concerns of black america, that our economy has not sufficiently addressed poverty, but you don't put agrieved groups and pit them against one another. that is not what a truly transcendent leader does it is petty, it's small minded, divisive politics and i have to think this is the kind of small-minded world view that is going to keep obama from being considered a great leader. >> where does he do that? >> where does he do what? >> where does he pit two groups against each other? >> his entire economic philosophy and re-election effort, pitting wealthy america against poor america and in this video, if you listen to all 40 minutes, he talks about the federal government essentially not kbarg black america, whi
in 2007, it was black america against a white government. and knew that he essentially is the government, he is taking that same kind of tactic and he is pitting poor america against wealthy america. the problem with this is that there are actually aggrieved groups, legitimate arguments to be made that the government has neg lengtd the concerns of black america, that our economy has not sufficiently addressed poverty, but you don't put agrieved groups and pit them against one another. that is...
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do we want more government, or do we want to get control of government? to govern is to choose, and the choices are never easy. there are lobbies out there that will fight you on every choice you'll make. they're ready to call you names the second they make a choice they don't like. you heard that heckler here tonight. you have to be tough to stand up to that. but being tough won't help you make the right choice. that makes experience and mature judgment. that's what the presidency needs now more than ever. and that's why i ask you to give me your vote. so that i can give you the government you were promised by the founding fathers. thank you very much. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ how do you help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge,
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>>> in the rewrite tonight, government according to the bible. the republican party tries to pretend that todd akin is an isolated phenomenon, who doesn't represent the thinking of the republican party. now comes his colleague paul brown of georgia who shows there's nothing isolated nor phenomenal about todd akin. and that antiscientific bat crap crazy thinking is really the current republican brand. like congress man akin, crazy congressman brown sits on the house committee of science. we can only hope that he and akin do nothing but sit there, but we know better. they actually have a real hand in the governing outcomes on the committee of science. by his resume you would think that congressman brown would be more valuable than democrat or republican. he likes to refer to himself as a scientist. he has far more science training than most members of congress and than i do. he got his bachelor of science degree majoring in chemistry and he was a practicing physician before becoming a practicing politician. but if congressman brown is a scientist,
>>> in the rewrite tonight, government according to the bible. the republican party tries to pretend that todd akin is an isolated phenomenon, who doesn't represent the thinking of the republican party. now comes his colleague paul brown of georgia who shows there's nothing isolated nor phenomenal about todd akin. and that antiscientific bat crap crazy thinking is really the current republican brand. like congress man akin, crazy congressman brown sits on the house committee of...
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>> well, mine's a government debt. i don't have any private debt. >> i paid 3% in college. >> happy anniversary, mr. president. >> 20th anniversary. >> who is going to cut the spending? who is it? it's romney. >> can i ask a question, please? >> sure. >> go ahead. i want to know what mitt romney's policy is on cancer. she relies on social security and medicare. she's not a lazy person. she worked and it's dependent for them to provide car care. i want to know what his policy is. >> we're curious about israel, how the relations are going to happen. >> regardless, we have obama or romney. >> thank you. let's go down here. do you have any questions? >> i have a question for romney. >> sure. >> i want to know where is the evidence that tickle down works. >> what? >> how does trickle down work? show me the evidence. >> how does cutting the taxes for the rich help everybody else? thank you. we'll be right back with more "hardball" for tonight and the debate. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new
>> well, mine's a government debt. i don't have any private debt. >> i paid 3% in college. >> happy anniversary, mr. president. >> 20th anniversary. >> who is going to cut the spending? who is it? it's romney. >> can i ask a question, please? >> sure. >> go ahead. i want to know what mitt romney's policy is on cancer. she relies on social security and medicare. she's not a lazy person. she worked and it's dependent for them to provide car care. i...
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it will include three on the economy, one on health care, one on governing and one on the state of government. the role of government, i should say. now, both candidates will be standing at podiums. no strict time limits. each candidate will have two minutes to answer that question and then the rest of the segment will be an open discussion about the topic at hand. so that is how the debate is going to do. aides with the obama campaign say his goal is to deliver his message in a crisp and clear manner. to not seem too long winded as sometimes he has in the past. so that's really his goal and also to make the case about why he thinks he can do a better job in these next four year of turning the economy around and to really give people specifics. as i said, the first lady will be there tonight. it is their 20th anniversary. no time to really celebrate tonight. they say they will do that this weekend. >> quite a way to celebrate. thanks so much. we head tout peter alexander in denver, where mitt romney has been for several days now prepping for the debate this evening. >> you had plenty of sport
it will include three on the economy, one on health care, one on governing and one on the state of government. the role of government, i should say. now, both candidates will be standing at podiums. no strict time limits. each candidate will have two minutes to answer that question and then the rest of the segment will be an open discussion about the topic at hand. so that is how the debate is going to do. aides with the obama campaign say his goal is to deliver his message in a crisp and clear...
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joining us now independent govern governor, and governor sanders, did the president make the case that he's done more for the middle class over the last four years, did he leave that impression? >> well, i think he was not as strong as he should have been. i think he should have made it very clear in reminding the american people that when he came into office after eight years of george bush's policies, which is what romney wants to continue, what we had is 700,000 americans a month losing their jobs because of the deregulation of wall street, which romney wants to continue. we had the american and world financial system on the verge of collapse. an inch away from a world depression. that's what he inherited. has he done all that i would like him to do over the last four years? no, but has he stemmed that disastrous policy and protected the middle class? putting more people into health care, creating jobs for many, many months after the disastrous bush agenda? yes, he has. >> senator hutchinson, the undecided voters are the pivotal swing votes throughout the election. and in certain sn
joining us now independent govern governor, and governor sanders, did the president make the case that he's done more for the middle class over the last four years, did he leave that impression? >> well, i think he was not as strong as he should have been. i think he should have made it very clear in reminding the american people that when he came into office after eight years of george bush's policies, which is what romney wants to continue, what we had is 700,000 americans a month...
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and they want smaller government and they want -- a government that is really going to help -- not help them necessarily but really be there to guide them along. so they will have -- hand out as they were telling me. these women are anomalies. 80% of african-american women voted for president obama in 2008. i don't think that's going to change very much. 1%, less than 1%, of african-americans, favor romney. so these women are anomalies but with everybody they have the right to have their own opinion. and who they are going to vote for. >> so people have an informed opinion as well. >> absolutely good get people involved in the process. we are seeing a big push in ohio for mitt romney as well as president obama. we know that no republican has ever taken the white house without taking ohio. "the new york times" article that they have out also talks about african-american voting battleground states like north carolina. which president obama won by just 14,000 votes in '08. certainly could be a key in this re-election. article also notes the presidential election got 100% of african-america
and they want smaller government and they want -- a government that is really going to help -- not help them necessarily but really be there to guide them along. so they will have -- hand out as they were telling me. these women are anomalies. 80% of african-american women voted for president obama in 2008. i don't think that's going to change very much. 1%, less than 1%, of african-americans, favor romney. so these women are anomalies but with everybody they have the right to have their own...
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the government said it was billed more than $400 million in bogus claims. >>> new rules for secret service agents after that drunken partying at a colombian hotel back in april. they're now banned from drinking where they're staying. sharing sensitive information online could get you fired. >>> bruce davis, known as charles manson's right-hand man, has been recommended for parole. he served more than four decades for the 1969 killings of a musician and his stuntman. the california governor jerry brown will have the final say. >>> here's a scoop for you, the mars curiosity rover is about to do a little digging. it will collect sampling to see if there were ever favorable conditions for microbe yal life. >>> the presidential debate had one of the biggest audiences in history. "the new york times" says the number of people watching on tv and on the internet totalled about 70 million viewers. mitt romney's campaign is releasing three new tv ads today. one says president obama is creating debt instead of jobs. one ad will air only in nevada. another in ohio. >>> a new film about death of osama
the government said it was billed more than $400 million in bogus claims. >>> new rules for secret service agents after that drunken partying at a colombian hotel back in april. they're now banned from drinking where they're staying. sharing sensitive information online could get you fired. >>> bruce davis, known as charles manson's right-hand man, has been recommended for parole. he served more than four decades for the 1969 killings of a musician and his stuntman. the...
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. >> the government stepping in to bailout chrysler and gm? >> i think it depends on who you ask. >> it was, do we save chrysler and gm, what do you do? >> again, this is a false choice. >> so you would -- >> it needs to be done under the umbrella of the free enterprise system. >> as we sit here today, was that a good vote or a bad vote? >> i personally would have had trouble with stripping these hardworking -- >> that's mandel running against sherrod brown. it's almost painful to see him trying to duck around answers, ryan. >> his entire campaign has been difficult to watch. it's been completely disastrous. the republican expected to pick this seat up. instead, he's getting beat pretty handedly. it's hard for him to grapple with the fact that this intervention with the auto industry actually helped and that's what is helping the president there. i do think that voters do generally understand that it's businessmen like mitt romney who are the kinds of people who led this offshoring over the last 20 to 30 years when private equity buys the fact
. >> the government stepping in to bailout chrysler and gm? >> i think it depends on who you ask. >> it was, do we save chrysler and gm, what do you do? >> again, this is a false choice. >> so you would -- >> it needs to be done under the umbrella of the free enterprise system. >> as we sit here today, was that a good vote or a bad vote? >> i personally would have had trouble with stripping these hardworking -- >> that's mandel running...
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trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. >> that trickle down government phrase looks like an attempt to neutralize attacks on his tax plan as just one more version of, quote, trickle down economics. romney did some major cleanup work yesterday on the comment that had been the most damaging to his campaign in the last few weeks, the 47% comment. >> clearly, in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you'll say something that doesn't come out right. in this case i said something that is just completely wrong. i absolutely believe, however, that my life has shown that i care about a hundred percent. >> that's what he said. everything he said there he said was completely wrong. does raise this question. how many resets can a presidential nominee have? take a look at romney's shifting responses over the last three weeks on 47% to put it all in perspective. >> as i point out i recognize that amon
trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. >> that trickle down government phrase looks like an attempt to neutralize attacks on his tax plan as just one more version of, quote, trickle down economics. romney did some major cleanup work yesterday on the comment that had been the most damaging to his campaign in the last few weeks, the 47% comment. >> clearly, in a campaign with hundreds if not...
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i saw the president's vision as trickle-down government, and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> all right. let's put it through the spin cycle. steve, you were there in denver. what's your take? >> looking at that obama response, i think everybody says why didn't you say it to his face? why didn't you say that last night? i think, look, it's pretty well established by this point why this was such a disastrous debate for obama. i'll play a quick clip here, and this is a jumping-off point to talk about what he needs to do in the next debates to avoid a repeat of this. let's play a clip of an opening romney gave him that he completely missed. >> i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is there's no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that. virtually everything you said about my tax plan is inaccurate. so if the tax plan he described were a tax plan i was asked to support, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for 5i trillion tax cut. i won't put in a place a tax cut that adds to the def
i saw the president's vision as trickle-down government, and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> all right. let's put it through the spin cycle. steve, you were there in denver. what's your take? >> looking at that obama response, i think everybody says why didn't you say it to his face? why didn't you say that last night? i think, look, it's pretty well established by this point why this was such a disastrous debate for obama. i'll play a quick clip here, and this is...
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that angered the turkish government. the prime minister says the syrian government will be held accountable for this and we also understand that turkish officials are now reaching out to nato to possibly exercise nato's article in which any member of nato that is attacked could respond and it's really just highlighting the sense situation on the turkish/syria border there after this deadly incident. the attack in aleppo you referenced really two different accounts coming out from inside syria. the syrian government, the official line from them, this was a terrorist attack, three suicide car explosions taking place in aleppo targeting a military installation, an officers club that killed 31 people. opposition activists say this was an attack targeting the command headquarters if you will of the military operating in aleppo that killed at least 40 people. over the past several days, we know that syrian rebels have been launching an offensive to try to capture the entire city of aleppo. we also know from pro government sour
that angered the turkish government. the prime minister says the syrian government will be held accountable for this and we also understand that turkish officials are now reaching out to nato to possibly exercise nato's article in which any member of nato that is attacked could respond and it's really just highlighting the sense situation on the turkish/syria border there after this deadly incident. the attack in aleppo you referenced really two different accounts coming out from inside syria....
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regular people who need regular government. it struck me and it must have struck you that this 47% thing that romney said and didn't think anybody was recording, where he said those people don't take care of their own lives. they don't meet their own responsibilities. well, the problem with that is he's attacking people on social security. it seems to me somebody who has been paying payroll tax from the time they were a paper boy or a stock boy from the time they were 14 has taken care and responsibility for their lives. they shouldn't be derided or mocked for not being reliable citizens. did you ever think about that? i'm sure you have. he's attacking basic bread and butter people in this country who worked their whole lives and are living on social security as somehow bums. >> well, he's attacking people on social security, attacking people who are veterans, and you know who else he was attacking if you watch that video, you see the wait staff walking back and forth in front of the camera. in some sense he was attacking them
regular people who need regular government. it struck me and it must have struck you that this 47% thing that romney said and didn't think anybody was recording, where he said those people don't take care of their own lives. they don't meet their own responsibilities. well, the problem with that is he's attacking people on social security. it seems to me somebody who has been paying payroll tax from the time they were a paper boy or a stock boy from the time they were 14 has taken care and...
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. >> trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government will not create the jobs americans need. >> trickle down government, zing. the crowd there clearly energized by romney's debate performance last night and obama's senior adviser david axelrod praised it as well suggesting it was oscar-worthy, though not worthy of the white house. due to some basic problems with simple veracity. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. i can't understand how you can cut medicare $716 billion for current recipients of medicare. pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. an unelected board, appointed board who are going to decide what kind of treatments you ought to have. >> not true, not true, not true, not true. and since mr. romney got the last word at the debate last night, why don't we give the last word today to the president. >> he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. so governor romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president, you owe the american
. >> trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government. trickle down government will not create the jobs americans need. >> trickle down government, zing. the crowd there clearly energized by romney's debate performance last night and obama's senior adviser david axelrod praised it as well suggesting it was oscar-worthy, though not worthy of the white house. due to some basic problems with simple veracity. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. i...
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it is all about that jobs number, and the fed's commitment to help the government try and get americans back to work here. worth also saying that even though they are optimistic about an improvement in this jobs number, the fed's own economic outlook suggests that we're going to see a few weak quarters going forward, and economic growth doesn't really start to get traction until 2013 into 2015. so we could be treading water for quite some time here. interesting to see what that now means for obama's election campaign as we come up to this big presidential vote. back to you. >> and we will see that number less than three hours from now, the september jobs report. geoff, thanks so much. >>> still ahead this morning on "way too early," a little thursday night football for you with the undefeated arizona cardinals taking on the rams. turns out when your quarterback is sacked eight times, it bodes poorly for your chances. highlights ahead in sports. >>> plus -- >> there is no red america! there is no blue america! there is only the america that can't. believe how bad this guy did in the deba
it is all about that jobs number, and the fed's commitment to help the government try and get americans back to work here. worth also saying that even though they are optimistic about an improvement in this jobs number, the fed's own economic outlook suggests that we're going to see a few weak quarters going forward, and economic growth doesn't really start to get traction until 2013 into 2015. so we could be treading water for quite some time here. interesting to see what that now means for...
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the federal government are so intent on suing you? >> i'll tell you, that is one very significant issue that we wish would have been corrected with dodd/frank and some of these other things, the notion that there are now 50 states in the mix, so you have a situation, for example, the big banks are regulated by the federal government, but the non-bank mortgage companies are actually regulated by 50 states and the federal government with a patchwork of regulations and a lot of uncertainty. by the way, all that government uncertainty right now, while rates are very low, they actually could be lower. >> lower? >> they could be lower. rates are .25% higher over treasuries than they've ever been really because of fear and uncertainty because of future regulations that are still yet to come out. that's $50 a month for an average home buyer. >> and something else we don't talk a lot about but also very significant, even with the incredibly low mortgage rates, try and get one. you have got to go through the banks are extraordinarily stringent
the federal government are so intent on suing you? >> i'll tell you, that is one very significant issue that we wish would have been corrected with dodd/frank and some of these other things, the notion that there are now 50 states in the mix, so you have a situation, for example, the big banks are regulated by the federal government, but the non-bank mortgage companies are actually regulated by 50 states and the federal government with a patchwork of regulations and a lot of uncertainty....
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>> a lot of people are saying that government is cooking the books here. >> these guys are saying they feel like they cooked the books. >> look, i got to say if you're cooking the books, 7.8% unemployment, get the. [ beep ] recipe. if you're cooking, make something nice for people. hey, unemployment's 2.6%. everybody, we're going to eat! >> ever since mitt romney called out big bird by name at last week's presidential debate, president obama's campaign has been having a lot of fun with it. at a san francisco fund-raiser last night, president obama himself once again drew attention to mr. romney's plan to cut government funding for pbs. >> for all you moms and kids out there, you should have confidence that finally somebody is cracking down on big bird. elmo has been seen in a white suburban. he's driving for the border. oscar is hiding out in his trash can. we're cracking down on them. governor romney's plan is to let wall street run wild again but he's going to bring the hammer down on sesame street. >> the obama campaign now featuring big bird in a new tv ad out this morning. this is
>> a lot of people are saying that government is cooking the books here. >> these guys are saying they feel like they cooked the books. >> look, i got to say if you're cooking the books, 7.8% unemployment, get the. [ beep ] recipe. if you're cooking, make something nice for people. hey, unemployment's 2.6%. everybody, we're going to eat! >> ever since mitt romney called out big bird by name at last week's presidential debate, president obama's campaign has been having a...
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of government, and here is how it's going to work. moderator jim lehrer will start each segment off by asking a question. he will give each candidate two minutes to answer the question, and then they'll use the remainder of the time to have a discussion about the topic at hand. so that's how it's going to work. of course, both of these candidates putting the final touches on their debate preparations. they're being incredibly tight-lipped, which, of course, is frustrating to those of us in the media about how exactly these debate preparations are going but both ann romney and first lady michelle obama will be there tomorrow night in denver. one more interesting note, martin, it is the first couple's 20th anniversary tomorrow night. they will be together, they will be together in denver, and they will have a proper celebration this weekend. >> wow. celebrating and working at the same time. nbc's kristin welker. thanks so much. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover every
of government, and here is how it's going to work. moderator jim lehrer will start each segment off by asking a question. he will give each candidate two minutes to answer the question, and then they'll use the remainder of the time to have a discussion about the topic at hand. so that's how it's going to work. of course, both of these candidates putting the final touches on their debate preparations. they're being incredibly tight-lipped, which, of course, is frustrating to those of us in the...
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he knows how to govern. and he knows how to lay out the principle, bring people together to achieve those goals in the legislative process, and that's what he's going to do here for america if he's elected. >> i understand that, but briefly, ed, doesn't a voter deserve to know which loophole he will or will not have if he votes for mitt romney? >> well, you know, he talked about last night, you heard him put out, you know, the concept of maybe you would cap the level of deductions so you wouldn't, you know, necessarily eliminate a loophole, you would limit how much of them -- how many deductions you could take. that would give people discretion. you could figure out how high that should be. should it be a percentage of income? should it be a set figure? there are a lot of ways you can get these things done, willie. but again, if you do it in a campaign environment, you say here's this one, here's that one and people lock in on one side or the other against it, that's not the way to get things done. and that'
he knows how to govern. and he knows how to lay out the principle, bring people together to achieve those goals in the legislative process, and that's what he's going to do here for america if he's elected. >> i understand that, but briefly, ed, doesn't a voter deserve to know which loophole he will or will not have if he votes for mitt romney? >> well, you know, he talked about last night, you heard him put out, you know, the concept of maybe you would cap the level of deductions...
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we need a strong national government to support strong american people. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> the day after. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. let me start tonight with two big questions, "hardball" questions if you will. one, why? why did what happened last night happen? why did a president who has proven himself as a policy expert and world class politician let the other guy take charge? because if he can't answer that question, he may be doomed to defeat in the remaining two debates. second big question, can a victory over the facts of last night's debate, what was true and what was not, turn the tables now? can barack obama win by getting out the word he didn't get out last night? and both are big questions tonight that might just decide this presidential election. i'm joined by governor ed rendell and ron reagan, both msnbc analysts. this is a tough blog by a guy who has been very strong for obama over the years. andrew sullivan of the daily beast. he wrote this last night,
we need a strong national government to support strong american people. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> the day after. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. let me start tonight with two big questions, "hardball" questions if you will. one, why? why did what happened last night happen? why did a president who has proven himself as a policy expert and world class...
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>> industrial america can actually respond to government breaks. industrial america would take -- if you allowed this em eed thet money back from overseas with assistance of hiring, they would do it, but the money's all overseas. they're not repate yriated. >> why would you let them bring the money back in and all they'll do it use it for dividends? >> that's what they did under the republicans. they didn't care. they made no deal. these guys would make a deal. if you just committed to saying, listen, you have 10,000 employees now. if you have 12,000 employees a year from now, we are going to let you repatriate. but they've got to put it first. you hire, then you get the money back. because if you give them the money back first, they will just give it to shareholders. >> that's right. >> by the way, there are worse things to do than getting $2 trillion back circulating in the united states. because you know what, the shareholders aren't all gordon gecko. >> 90 million people. >> so i hear these people going, oh! they'll just give the money to share
>> industrial america can actually respond to government breaks. industrial america would take -- if you allowed this em eed thet money back from overseas with assistance of hiring, they would do it, but the money's all overseas. they're not repate yriated. >> why would you let them bring the money back in and all they'll do it use it for dividends? >> that's what they did under the republicans. they didn't care. they made no deal. these guys would make a deal. if you just...
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believing that individuals create jobs and wealth and opportunity and not the federal government. that's never changed with mitt romney. these social issues, mike, you need a scorecard because it's like ping-pong going back and forth. i don't think he cares. >> the first part of description of mitt romney is who he is. how do we grow the economy and get people back to work. the social issues are an appendage. we'll deal with those later. they get in the way of the main objective. his problem on social issues was just brilliantly outlined by sam. it's the problem that a lot of voters, i think, might have with mitt romney. what does he do about the supreme court? what does he do about a bill to veto the funding for planned parenthood. what would he do as president, and that's what some voters will take into the booth with them. >> i think on those issues they're pretty straightforward. i think mitt romney will work to defund planned parenthood. i think mitt romney will appoint conservative justices. i think he will. >> with respect to defunding planned parenthood, what he told "the
believing that individuals create jobs and wealth and opportunity and not the federal government. that's never changed with mitt romney. these social issues, mike, you need a scorecard because it's like ping-pong going back and forth. i don't think he cares. >> the first part of description of mitt romney is who he is. how do we grow the economy and get people back to work. the social issues are an appendage. we'll deal with those later. they get in the way of the main objective. his...
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you let the federal government spend trillions of dollars, and good things will happen. we republicans disagree with it today. we disagreed with it for the past four years. we've disagreed with it for the past 40 years. so just to say we republicans just want the economy to fail, with all due respect to joe, that's irresponsible. >> i think the president believes in the private sector maybe a little bit more than that. the other thing is, obama, they were saying he tanked the economy going into the election four years ago. and now, of course, he's manipulating the numbers to make it look good, he's pretty good, this obama guy, manipulating the economy. but my feeling is the economy is actually picking up. >> it is. >> we slowed down in the spring, and now it is picking up. housing is up. >> exactly. >> autos up. >> consumer confidence is up. >> consumer confidence is up. union pacific. >> stock market. >> said his traffic on his railroad is up over last year. that's huge. >> you know, i have had a good friend in florida that -- earl durden, late, great earl durden, he ha
you let the federal government spend trillions of dollars, and good things will happen. we republicans disagree with it today. we disagreed with it for the past four years. we've disagreed with it for the past 40 years. so just to say we republicans just want the economy to fail, with all due respect to joe, that's irresponsible. >> i think the president believes in the private sector maybe a little bit more than that. the other thing is, obama, they were saying he tanked the economy...
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stimulus, hiring more government workers, raising taxes. those things don't create jobs, they cost jobs. >> reporter: alex, that's base you cannily what we're expecting to hear again tonight this, idea that one report is great but it's not the same thing as a strategy. we expect governor romney to continue to hammer that point this evening. >> i got to say i want to give him props for his comedic timing there. quickly there the conspiracy theories, publicly mr. romney, he's staying above the fray. but what are they saying? are you hearing anything privately about this? >> reporter: the campaign strategy when it comes to the conspiracy theories is to say we're going to deal with the numbers as they exist. they have not gone out of their way to knock it down or stand by the numbers. there seems to be a belief that if elements of the base want to continue to hold onto that conspiracy theory, that may be something that strengthens them to have people fired up. as you can see we're getting a little bit of the preparations going on around us. >>
stimulus, hiring more government workers, raising taxes. those things don't create jobs, they cost jobs. >> reporter: alex, that's base you cannily what we're expecting to hear again tonight this, idea that one report is great but it's not the same thing as a strategy. we expect governor romney to continue to hammer that point this evening. >> i got to say i want to give him props for his comedic timing there. quickly there the conspiracy theories, publicly mr. romney, he's staying...
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the one reliable policy you can always count on republicans controlling national government to push through are tax cuts on the wealthy. they won't close deficits, they won't do a lot of other things they say, but the one thing they will do, you can bank on it, is cut taxes for the rich. and that is hanging around him. people saw how that worked the last time. they're going through a recession that has hammered the working class in the way it has benefited the wealthy. and on top of that, he wants to do these tax cuts for the rich. that is the core truth that he has to defend. >> it is hard for him to connect with the middle class when he offers a policy like that. it's more of the same, no doubt. i want to go back to what ezra was talking about, about the economic model that the obama administration had and talking about where unemployment was going to go and how good it was going to be. all of that discussion was being presented to the american people, not knowing that we were going to have is a record amount of filibusters. obstruction is not an excuse. it is a reality. and i believe the
the one reliable policy you can always count on republicans controlling national government to push through are tax cuts on the wealthy. they won't close deficits, they won't do a lot of other things they say, but the one thing they will do, you can bank on it, is cut taxes for the rich. and that is hanging around him. people saw how that worked the last time. they're going through a recession that has hammered the working class in the way it has benefited the wealthy. and on top of that, he...